|Comments On "White Rabbit"
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|A Note From TC:
We received hundreds of comments on our White Rabbit rant. We have selected a few of them so that those of you who are interested can read some of them. While we could choose only a few of the responses we received which generally agreed with our White Rabbit rant, we are publishing both of the negative responses - and one that was neither 100% in agreement or 100% in disagreement with me.
Whether or not, I am right in my assessment of the medical establishment, it appears I'm not alone in my belief that it's basically all about money. Doctors, because they spend so much time in school (but a relatively brief time compared to their earning potential) come out with a sense of entitlement and an air of aristocracy that most other professions don't imbue. This is not to say there are no good doctors or that there aren't plenty of doctors who care about healing more than they do their own lifestyle and their portfolios and social status.
Me? I'd much rather have a doctor that cared more about me than his Wednesday golf outing at the local country club or what model Porsche he's going to lease next. Yet, the only thing you hear doctor's complaining about isn't the loss of patients to cancer or other dreaded diseases, but about how high their medical malpractice premiums are. Ironic. So if it's not all about money, what's it all about.
But if you read these comments, no matter which side of the issue you're on, you have to admit the medical establishment has a very bad public image. 99% of the responses we received indicated, to me, that the vast majority of people have a very negative perception of doctors, hospitals, drug companies, and insurance companies. If it is not more about the money than the patient, why doesn't the medical community spend more time educating the consumer instead of funneling millions of dollars to Washington to influence congress in ways that ensure that the status quo will never change.
Comment From Janice:
with you about Cancer and the money end of things. I don’t give
anything to Cancer Research and other similar ‘charities’ and
haven’t for a long time. I often think that the drug companies and
researchers do not really want a proper cure for many illnesses.
Every now and then they have to come up with something to justify
their existence, but never a complete cure.
What a great article and so very true! Just the other day I was just talking about why no cure for cancer yet and thought the very same reason you have. Thanks for the great job you are doing and sharing it with all of us. Martha
Comments from Cheri (R.N.)
Beaux Comments on White Rabbit
RIGHT ON! I have wished it a hundred times that I should have never let them pressure (yes pressure) me into taking treatments for the cancer I have. Your right. It's all about money. My home is gone and life as I once knew it was totally destroyed by them. All you have to do is look at the cars they drive while there patients can barely pay for the gas to get their old clunkers running. Thanks for taking the time to write White Rabbit.
Elaine K. Writes...
I, too, was once a bleeding heart liberal - and I agree with you! There are a few younger doctors out there who care - my sister is in Hospice right now and the attending physician is in his early 30's (he went to school with one of my kids!!!) - and he is very caring. Dr. Spence is a family doctor (don't know of any oncologist who works directly with hospice - perhaps because Hospice doesn't insist on $$ for services??). He isn't out on the golf course or the tennis courts during office hours, makes rounds at the hospital twice a day & he doesn't he drive a fancy car - he's just a young family man with a great bedside manner! I hope there are still a few like him around in the next 20 years or so!!! Love your rants.
Comments from Mrs. N. Porter
Wow -- you really do distrust, and perhaps even dispise (sic), our medical community -- at least that's the strong feeling I get from reading this rant. (Am I wrong?)
First of all, I feel fortunate to live in a country which has the best medical system in the world -- and that will only remain so until the Clintons get their hands on it and completely destroy it with their socialist policies and beliefs. Socialized medicine does not work, especially if it's run by the government. One need only to look north to Canada for proof of that!!
Secondly, I do not begrudge competent, dedicated doctors in the USA any amount of money they are able to earn -- they deserve it. (Why is it our citizenry does not bat an eyelash at the multi-million dollars paid to the self-indulgent, self-absorbed, crotch-grabbing, talentless arrogant Hollywood "stars" -- what do they contribute to our society but to further its decline into perversion and immorality?!! Any star who has any morals and publicly declares it is immediately blackballed in Hollywood -- Charlton Heston and Tom Selleck come to mind. ) But I digress.
I'm sure you know what dedication it takes to become a "rich" doctor: upon graduation from high school, 4 years of undergraduate school and 4 years of medical school. (And it's not cheap -- the majority of doctors will be paying for college and medical school for decades to come -- the bill is usually in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.) Then you put in 3 to 4 years as a resident, while, if you're lucky, you'll be paid approx. $30,000 annually!! And your education must never stop -- you daily and continually must commit to reading the latest journals and articles to keep up with all medical updates!
I feel very strongly about this subject. I watched my son strive from kindergarten thru to the top of his class in high school, college and medical school. I agonized right alongside him as he tried to make the determination as to where in the medical field he would do his very best work. These are decisions not easily made by doctors who want to be the best in their field and best serve their patients. Should we reward such dedication by making doctors take a vow of poverty??
When I hear uninformed clueless people bash those ***-******doctors, my response is: the next time you feel in need of a medical professional, go to your local mechanic for assistance. (No disrespect to mechanics as my husband was one.) You can rest assured that a mechanic does not have the hundreds of thousands of dollars in educational loans hanging over his head to be paid; but you know what -- you'll no doubt end up paying as much if not more to him as you would to one of those "rich" doctors!!
I do agree that there are those in the profession for the money only -- they deserve your criticism -- but we need to be careful not to paint all doctors with the same broad brush. There is good and bad in every field (even lawyers & politicians, believe it or not) as I'm sure you'll agree.
Please forgive my rant, but as one who has observed the making of a doctor first hand, I just couldn't resist. I do agree with you on global warming -- I am not going to lie awake nights agonizing over the earth warming .06% of a degree every 1,500 years while the terrorists are continually plotting our demise!! The word "priorities" immediately appears before me!!!
P.S. Can't wait for a rant on present day politics from a one time bleeding heart idealist turned cynic!! I'm sure you have a vast unending source of knowledge there in the state of Michigan -- sorry, just kidding, had to get that in!!
Mrs. N Porter
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Comments from B. Mason
I would like to comment on Mrs. N. Porters comments about Canadian health care. I would like to know what she pays per month for full medical care, I bet it's a hell of a lot more than we do. My husband and I pay $14.40 per month for our health care. We don't pay anything for hospitalization or ER visits. The company we work for pays 80% of our premiums and even if they didn't it would still only be $72 a month. If we were low income we would pay a reduced fee or no fee at all. No Canadian is denied health care and if they have an unexpected hospital stay they don't have to worry about going bankrupt to pay for it. I receive great health care. I think she should do a bit more research before slamming another country's health care.......Ok done ranting now........Thanks for letting me!
Comments from "MC"
Well, TC, you were certainly right that some of your Canadian readers might have something to say about Mrs. N. Porter's comment "Socialized medicine does not work, especially if it's run by the government. One need only to look north to Canada for proof of that!!" Steam is still coming out of my ears about that one. I can't imagine what she is basing her comment on, but I'm sure she hasn't a clue how it works up here. All I know, is that if it wasn't for socialized medicine in Canada, I may not be around today. And after having lived for 10 years in the States, I think I am in a position to make a knowledgeable statement. I have survived cervical cancer and breast cancer, only because of the early screening tests that are provided by our socialized medicine. My 78 year old mother, has survived kidney cancer and pancreatic cancer, only because of early testing. And I know several women in the States who had to have mastectomies, because they couldn't afford to have mammograms and it was not caught early enough, whereas I did not. I understand that your paid coverage has improved since I was there and I don't claim to know how your current health care works. Socialized medicine is not a perfect system. It encourages fraudulent claims and a lot of immigrants come here to have their FREE $150,000 operations. But as I get older, I am VERY glad that I have socialized medicine.
Comments from Roger S.
So glad to hear from someone
that is feeling the same as I. About how it has become all about
the money. I have been saying everything you've written for
about twenty years or so. And, I too, used to be the one to
think that if you were good, practiced what you learned in
Sunday School, practiced what you learned in The Boy Scouts of
America, and practiced the "Golden Rule", then lots of good
things would happen to you. Now-a-days, it just sets you up for
Comments From Deb
I agree. I have had nothing but
quacks, frauds, and pill pusher for doctors. Not one of them has
known anything about nutrition or life style, it is all about
sickness management and keeping one somewhat ill – that is where the
bread and butter is for them. They have refused to listen to me when
I try to tell them something and actually end up being right they
can’t even admit it. I have almost been killed twice by them, once
for a blood infusion and another time for a pregnancy that went
wrong – I tried to tell them what is happening ahead of time and
they won’t listen.
They say that money is the root of all evil and I sure believe that. Cancer treatment is very expensive, and I have lost one friend to the horrid C. She was tried on a new medication but not monitored so she died, I sometimes feel unnecessary. I mean I am no doctor but surely there should been visits every month at least to see how she was progressing in this new wonderful medication. Well the doctor must have been paid heaps and not a lot of effort on his part. Biggest effort on my friend's part!
Yes we take pills for this and that, when we should be eating better and make sure what is in the stuff we buy from the supermarket. Trans fat being the latest thing over here in OZ. There is also a book that I want to get my hands on that has taken most of the products from the supermarket and looked at the labels and put it all in this book and you just go and shop with book in hand to start with. Getting all the best of a bad bunch. Hope I can get a copy of this as I like to try for myself.
I hope that I will never have to resort to leeches and maggots. But at least the maggots really do work, yuck yuck. I have cold shivers going up my back just thinking about it. As for leeched I have had the unfortunate of having one on me as a child and there is no way one would ever come back onto my skin with my permission. I would have to be heavily sedated for sure. Maybe we need to go back to trade one good for an other, like in the dark ages. Ha ha. I am not sure that would work in today's world either. Money rules, if you have not much you are worth nothing, and if you have lots most look up to you. Fair? No I do not think so. I better stop there or I go on forever.
Bear hugs from Lena
Dear TC & EB,
I agree 100% with your rant regarding the cure for cancer and global warming. All around the country there are fund raisers yearly that raise thousands of dollars for cancer. My mother died from cancer 26 yrs. ago at the age of 59. The progress regarding a cure has not advanced much since she passed away. I use to give money to the cancer society but have stopped because I feel that much of the money isn't going for research or a cure but lining some scientist pockets. Regarding the global warming, I do feel we need to change the way we pollute our earth but I also agree that money is the incentive for many scientist to say whatever, just to put money in their pockets. What ever happened to people trying to find ways to make the earth a better place to live and not just for the money?
Comments From Margaret
Jolly good article !
You are so "right on" with this Rant! Where is all the money that we contribute to cancer "research" going? Not to finding a cure, I guess. Too bad the drug companies are in cahoots with the Feds--like you say, it is all about the money. Thanks for your great newsletter.
Comments From Cindy
Living with major medical as I do,
it's even easier to become cynical. My son and I have one of the
rare diseases that you described, and fortunately (NOT!) for us,
last year we were cut off the only treatments out there that can
help us any at all----all because of changes in our how insurance
pays for things. So yep, I'll be the first to step right up and tell
you that IT'S ALL ABOUT MONEY!!! In effect, they might as well have
said to us, "pay this or die". And since we can't afford the huge
outrageous co-pays ($10,000 up front per year every year, plus
around $600 per month before they'd even ship the medicine for our
treatments, not to mention the outrageous cost of infusing them to
boot), here we are staying about as sick as two people can get,
wondering which illness will finally be the final one for us. Talk
about how that feels to a parent, knowing that you have to watch
this happen to your little son and everywhere you turn to try to get
help, you're turned down because "uh-oh, your husband's GROSS income
just barely exceeds our allowable qualifying limit, so we cannot
Comments From Elaine H.
First of all I absolutely loved
"White Rabbit" can you tell what generation I am from? And no I
didn't get into the drug scene. That spot was taken by older
Enjoy the rest of your
A Final Comment From TC
We really appreciate all your comments on this and all our rants, whether or not you agree with me. The idea is to stimulate discussion and perhaps encourage you to think about things in a different way. You won't always agree with me nor I with you, but I will always respect your right to speak and think as you wish. I hope you continue to extend the same courtesy to me.
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